Man from "National Debt Center" called.  Tried to get him to take us off his call list; said we might actually find the program useful.  I told him he was in violation of the law because we are on the do not call list.  He said that, yes, he could do that for me, but didn't I want to hear the program?  I asked for his name (Chris Cooper), address (1791 Summit Drive, Escondido, CA 92001), and his phone number, which he said he didn't have.  Funny, my caller id said it was a Minnesota call!